it does not bode well on our debt ceiling. >> talking about spending cuts. what does it say about us. >> the cuts are needed and to tracey point no one can push them there in programs like the 160 million transportation subcity. besides the fact that it is full of proud and 25 percent of it is fraudulent. why do they get the unbelievable perks that no one gets. it is 48 more than those in the private sector. >> and christian, this takes washington to a w level of disappointment because they don't get it to a vote and address the program for taxpayers. is this a signal that nothing is going to change. >> you are suggesting that you shouldn't subsidize transit but subsidize transit. this is not only available to federal workers it is available to any employer and in metropolitan areas, more than half of private employers are requiring the taxpayer subsidies. you want to say they are treated porce. >> wane, wane, you look amused by this discussion. >> every program is justified by it is needed. it is need therefore we do it. if you don'tut can the fat with all